Comedian Chelsea Handler and right-wing pundit Tomi Lahren sparred Saturday at Politicon, a cross-partisan political conference held in Pasadena, California. Though Handler maintained she was planning a cordial, if tough, interview, the appearance was hyped as a debate. Centrally at issue in the discussion was President Trump, some of whose statements Handler called "lies" and Lahren labeled "exaggerations." Also at issue was ObamaCare, which Lahren said is in a "death spiral." Handler agreed, but said the death spiral exists because the program is "being sabotaged by the president of the United States."